Portret Sandor Chardonnens
Portret Sandor Chardonnens

Shampoo with bamboo extract to make your hair bouncy? ‘Magic is timeless’

The supernatural can help people cope better with adversity or intangible things such as death. ‘In this way, people create a kind of infinity,’ says Sándor Chardonnens, researcher at Radboud University and expert on medieval magic. During science festival Oneindig in the Stevenskerk on 12 September, the researcher will take the audience on a journey into the world of magic. ‘It's about the experience of there being more between heaven and earth.’

There are plenty of stories of people who have had contact with a deceased loved one. This does not necessarily involve traditional ghostly apparitions. ‘For example, there are people who dream about someone and then, shortly afterwards, find out that that person has died,’ says Chardonnens. ‘Or they feel a connection with a deceased person because they suddenly smell that person's favourite flower, even though the flower isn't anywhere nearby. This often happens at times when people are going through a difficult period, as if the deceased is visiting them as a kind of guide.’

The researcher is not interested in the objectivity of these stories, but rather in their expressiveness. ‘Many people feel that death is not really the end of a relationship you have with someone, which means that the relationship continues to exist indefinitely. We continue to feel connected to the other person, even beyond death.’

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Chardonnens researches medieval magic and teaches English language and culture. He studies historical sources and objects to learn how people in the past dealt with good and evil and the supernatural, such as angels and demons. For example, writings from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries sometimes describe in great detail how magicians communicated with all kinds of spirits.

‘Just like we go to a doctor or the police when we have a problem, people used to go to professional sorcerers,’ he explains. Such a sorcerer would ask Beelzebub (the devil, ed.) what was wrong, why someone was ill, for example. When the client returned, the sorcerer would have an explanation for the client's problem, such as that the silverware had been stolen by the servant.

Chardonnens emphasises that belief in magic is not a thing of the past. 'Although magic seems very distant to us, it is still present everywhere, for example in the form of superstition or magical thinking. We knock on wood when we talk about possible dangers in the future. We cherish things that are important or meaningful to us, as if they were more than just matter. Commerce is not free from magic either. Think of shampoo with bamboo extract to make your hair bouncy. It is pure magic to think that the essence of bamboo can be transferred to your hair. Summoning spirits, as described in historical sources, is still practised today, but less openly than in the past.’

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‘For thousands of years, magic was part of science: one of the many ways of acquiring knowledge,’ Chardonnens continues. ‘But from the Renaissance onwards, magic, along with religion, became increasingly marginalised. Since then, we no longer regard many forms of knowledge as science. Think, for example, of alchemy and astrology, but also of magic and religion.’

With our focus on measurable and knowable scientific explanations for all kinds of phenomena, we overlook the usefulness of magic and religion as explanatory models and paths to spirituality and meaning, according to the researcher. The rituals of magic and religion are very important for solving problems or for better understanding or accepting something. After all, there are still questions about meaning on a human level that modern science cannot answer. For example, if someone is ill, it would be convenient if they could negotiate with a pathogen, as was customary in the past. Instead, our scope for action in the event of illness is limited by what is considered scientific in medical terms.

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Talking to AI and spirits

According to recent research by the Skepsis Foundation, belief in the paranormal is on the rise. Chardonnens: 'Spirits and supernatural and extraterrestrial beings are particularly popular, thanks in part to Netflix series, the Efteling theme park and other forms of popular culture.’

For the magic expert, this is an excellent opportunity to study human contact with a non-material presence. Together with communication and information scientists Wyke Stommel and Marlou Rasenberg and religious scholar Arjan Sterken, he is researching how people communicate with AI and with spirits. ‘There are similarities. When you ask a question, you first think about how to phrase it. Sometimes people whisper to each other first to decide what question to ask, before addressing an AI interface or spirit more loudly and clearly.’

For the past few years, Chardonnens and Sterken have been regularly conducting séances on campus with colleagues, students and other interested parties. ‘After all, we are a Catholic university. Catholics believe in angels and devils, but also in purgatory, and therefore in the spirits of deceased people.’ During the Oneindig festival in the Stevenskerk, Chardonnens talks in a live podcast recording about the relationship we have with the supernatural and how we can benefit from it. ‘Hopefully, this will clarify which connections in the universe we as humans derive meaning from.’

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