At the beginning of the war in Ukraine, Nataliia (Natasha) Lytvynenko moved to the Netherlands. She recently obtained a master's degree in Spatial Planning (Land and Real Estate Development) at the Radboud University. With a background in the real estate sector in Ukraine, she chose to continue her academic journey to rebuild her career in a new country. She currently works at the Kadaster as a Data Collector. In addition, she acts as an ambassador for the city of Odesa (Ukraine) in the Netherlands. In this interview, she reflects on her study experience, career transition, and her involvement in initiatives that connect Dutch expertise in spatial planning to the reconstruction efforts related to Ukraine and Odesa.
Natasha Lytvynenko: “Odesa benefits greatly from Dutch knowledge and best practices in spatial planning, sustainable construction, and urban development"
Name
Natasha Broeders-Lytvynenko
Current position
Data-collector at Kadaster
Previous education
Master Spatial Planning: Planning, Land and Real Estate Development
Graduated on 18 January 2024
You came to the Netherlands at the beginning of the war in Ukraine and decided to pursue the Master’s in Spatial Planning (Land and Real Estate Development) at Radboud University. What motivated you to make this decision, and how did this study help you build a new career in a different country?
When I arrived in the Netherlands, I felt lost—like being dropped in the middle of nowhere without a map. What helped me find direction was my strong motivation to continue my career in spatial planning. I spoke with various people to better understand how spatial planning works in the Netherlands and what qualifications are required for professionals. While exploring opportunities to work in my field, I discovered the master's program at Radboud University. Studying at Radboud University offered several advantages. First, the university has a strong reputation in the Netherlands, so I would not need to explain to employers how my Ukrainian diploma relates to the Dutch educational system. Second, I learned that spatial planning in the Netherlands and Ukraine shares many similarities, while the differences were covered during my master’s studies. As a result, I gained the knowledge and confidence that I can successfully work in my profession here.
How did you experience your time as an international student, and in what ways did the study prepare you for working in the Dutch spatial planning and real estate context?
During my studies, I felt welcome at both sites from teachers and fellow students, even though my daughter was approximately the same age as my classmates. What I found particularly interesting was the teaching approach. Students were given assignments that encouraged them to think beyond the study program, search for information independently, and develop an ability to think critically and creatively outside the standard curriculum. Another aspect I appreciated was the accessibility of the teachers. They were available not only during lectures and tutorials, but also outside class hours. Another memorable experience from my student years was participating in the International Joint Course with Universitas Diponegoro and Gadjah Mada University (Indonesia). This program provided valuable insights into urban development. In addition, the opportunity to study in Indonesia was a unique cultural experience.
My main lesson learned during my study, which helps me in the field, is that in Dutch spatial planning and in Dutch society in general, three-party - government, business and society - must work together. All systems are built on the principle that a spatial planning project does not exist without one of the parties. This inspires me as a professional. In Ukraine, it was difficult to involve citizens in public hearings or find a common ground between government representatives and businesses.
You are currently working at the Kadaster and acting as an ambassador for Odesa. Could you tell us more about your role and how your background in real estate and spatial planning is reflected in your daily work?
Currently, I work at Kadaster as a Data Collector in the Topography Department within the multinational Geospatial Co-production Program (MGCP). In this role, I create topographic maps for the international MGCP program using ArcMap. My background in real estate and spatial planning helps me understand the broader context behind the data I work with. It allows me to approach my work with accuracy, responsibility, and an understanding of how geospatial information contributes to planning and sustainable development.
In addition to my professional role, I act as an ambassador for Odesa in the Netherlands. In this role, I focus on strengthening connections between Odesa and the Netherlands. I see firsthand how the Netherlands supports Ukraine during this difficult wartime period, while at the same time, my family, friends, and colleagues in my hometown experience the challenges of war every day. For them, it is very important to feel this international support personally. I also believe that this difficult period creates a window of opportunity for change and improvement. By learning from Dutch best practices in spatial planning, governance, and land management, Ukraine can rebuild in a more sustainable and effective way.
Recently, a delegation from Odesa visited the Netherlands in the context of reconstruction and spatial development. What is your involvement in these initiatives, and how can your knowledge in spatial planning contribute to the rebuilding of Odesa?
I had the idea to organise an Odesa event related to reconstruction (part of a Ukrainian trade mission on sustainable construction, circular economy and energy in The Hague, Delft, Rotterdam, Zwolle, Deventer and Enschede). I understood that Odesa could benefit greatly from Dutch knowledge and best practices in spatial planning, sustainable construction, and urban development. The main goal of the mission was to support the development of partnerships and projects between Dutch and Ukrainian businesses and public authorities. An important underlying idea was not only to bring representatives of the Odesa local government and businesses to the Netherlands, but also to begin building a community in which public authorities and the private sector work together, following the collaborative approach used in the Netherlands.
Looking back on your journey, from working in the real estate sector in Ukraine to studying and working in the Netherlands, what advice would you give to international students or professionals who want to rebuild their career in a new country?
My advice is simple and comes from my life motto: if you don’t know the answer, ask someone who does—or go study. When I came to the Netherlands, many things were new to me, and I didn’t always understand how the system worked. Talking to people, asking for advice, and being open to learning helped me find my direction. For me, studying was not a step back, but a step forward toward new opportunities in spatial planning.
If you feel that you want to build or rebuild your career in a new country, don’t wait for the perfect moment—just start. It can be scary, and sometimes it may even feel impossible. But step by step, you will move forward. Along the way, you will be surprised not only by your own strength, but also by how many supportive and inspiring people you will meet.
So, my main advice is: be proactive, keep learning, and don’t be afraid of new challenges and uncertainty—you might discover a better version of yourself along the way.
Contact information
- Organizational unit
- Nijmegen School of Management, Geography, Spatial Planning and Environment Department